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The first "Chicks on Anime" roundtable went up on ANN today. 
26th-Aug-2008 01:40 pm
A new weekly, The View-like roundtable dedicated to anime- and manga-related topics, available here. Regular discussants will be Bamboo Dong, Robin Sevakis, Sara Pocock, and myself. I'm probably the most manga-oriented person of the group. This week's topic is women in the industry.

Some background for gossip hounds out there: The original title was to be "Onna Topic," which is, as you can see, a kind of Japlish pun, but apparently that didn't go over well with the anime industry folks Bamboo spoke with. They all thought "Chicks on Anime" was waaaaay better, har har. Suffice to say that I was not in agreement, but my protests, which included the suggestion that we put the title of the roundtable to the readers for something at least marginally better, went in vain. So there you have it. A column about very serious and (as you will see) controversial topics of discussion sounds like puffery. (It's supposed to be ironic, but I suspect most people are going to experience it as deceptive advertising...especially given the venue.)
26th-Aug-2008 06:26 pm (UTC)
OH NOES THE MEN ARE HITTING ME ON THE JOB. I think woman can be taken seriously in work even if the men are hitting them. It depends on what demographic the workplace belongs to. I think the only way to prevent flirting in this industry or some other industry is to establish own all-women producing company. And oh noes there might be lesbians there that still are hitting women!

This comment brought to you by yet another ANN brain trust.

26th-Aug-2008 06:30 pm (UTC)
You know I don't read the forums. ^_~

I thought your commentary about the title from the other week said it all, actually. :P
26th-Aug-2008 06:36 pm (UTC)
I can't repeat that there... Zac is too sensitive. :/
26th-Aug-2008 06:38 pm (UTC)
I thought you'd sworn off their forum, anyway. *chuckles*
26th-Aug-2008 06:49 pm (UTC)
It's like a bad habit...
26th-Aug-2008 06:59 pm (UTC)
Oh. *smirk*
27th-Aug-2008 07:01 am (UTC)
Oh man, "Onna Topic" is hilarious. :-) I'd read that religiously!

I will certainly never read the forum comments ever again, though.
27th-Aug-2008 07:23 am (UTC)
Oh man, "Onna Topic" is hilarious. :-) I'd read that religiously!

Even given that the Japanese "onna" and the English "on" aren't pronounced with the same vowel, I thought it was miles better than the alternative. If you'd asked me before the whole title controversy went down, I'd have sworn on my sould there was no way most "industry people" would think "Chicks on Anime" was better. Which, since I mostly know manga, I suppose goes to show how much separation there is between the anime and manga industries these days...

I will certainly never read the forum comments ever again, though.

No...you didn't! >_< Any post count higher than 15 on any one piece's associated forum is likely to include ugliness. There just aren't enough hours in the day to read about how wrong/stupid/ignorant I must be.

Anyway, I hope I represented your sentiments from before accurately. Not to imply that you'd want to be a "chick" "on" anything, of course. ^_~
28th-Aug-2008 04:05 am (UTC)
"Onna Topic" also makes me think of cheesy Italian accents. If Mario and Luigi hosted a talk show, they could call it "Onna Topic." :-)

Yeah, I made it as far as the word "Feminazi" in the comments and then quickly hit the back button before my head exploded. I think the most frustrating part is that ANN readers are probably on the higher end of the internet bell curve (barely), in that most of the comments are properly spelled and semi-coherently argued. And yet they can be so incredible ignorant. It's just stunning.
28th-Aug-2008 04:19 am (UTC)
*nods* The correct spelling and semi-coherent arguing is probably a minimum precedent set by editors, who are very active on the boards.

Other than that, though, I wonder if the overall feel to the discourse has to do with the white male nerd/geek (or hacker) libertarian tradition. 'Cause I could be wrong, but I don't think most ANN patrons are frying their brains on Fox News when they're not frying their brains on the latest harem anime. On the other hand, most of the anime/manga fans I know well are female, and their politics tend to be less libertarian and more...err, the sort of thing I remember from college.

"Onna Topic" also makes me think of cheesy Italian accents.

Never thought of that. XD
28th-Aug-2008 08:29 am (UTC)
Agreed. And it's a good point that they're probably pulling a lot of their gender politics from harem anime rather than Fox News. :-) I just think it's a little sad that I bet a lot of them think that their attitude is pretty enlightened, and a big step up from harem anime, since they're at least smart enough to recognize that as fantasy wish-fulfillment, but they don't realize that there's a huge staircase beyond that.
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