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Equality? Who cares about equality? 
15th-Dec-2006 08:40 am
We say we do, but the evidence here and elsewhere suggests otherwise.

-The New Jersey legislature has granted gay couples the right to get married get civil-unionized. Err...? If they are to be granted all of the rights of marriage, why not just let them get married? You know, I agree on with the hard-leftists on this one; a parallel institution will cause confusion and lead indirectly to inequality. 'Course, we're already seeing some buyer's remorse.

-Ex-president Jimmy Carter is taking heat for his new book. As in, "How DARE he accuse Israel of practicing apartheid????" Umm...hello!? Anyone who comes in cold and reads about the situation for more than five seconds will reach the same conclusion. He likewise argues that the Palestinian side is not well-represented in the US. Totally true. I wouldn't sign off on the creation of a "Students for the Preservation of Israel" or some such group back in college because there wasn't a equal group supporting Palestine. (Not that my objections made one whit of a difference.) Besides, none of the fact-checkers have effectively disproved Carter's main thesis. He can still be right even if he doesn't remember his dates, you know.
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15th-Dec-2006 02:05 pm (UTC)
That's what does bug me about the NJ law, and Vermont's.. It's playing with language and creating a parallel system basically to appease bigots..

And of course in MA, the nut who wants to be the next president is trying to destroy gay MARRIAGE there to make the bigots happy...

And, heh, Fox News went on all out attack mode over Carter’s book, because you know, something written by a liberal former president is far more newsworthy than the anarchy and mass death being presided over by the current right wing president........ And yeah, Carter is pointing out a reality that happens to conflict with the conservative theory that Israel can do no wrong.....
15th-Dec-2006 02:08 pm (UTC)
Ah, but the thing is, whereas in MA only residents can marry, in NJ there is no such law. Neighboring states such as NY said that they would recognize gay marriage, but not gay civil unions. *gargh*

As for Israel, well, I read about that wall they're building and thought "apartheid" on my own. Seems self-evident to me.
15th-Dec-2006 02:19 pm (UTC)

Hmm, I wonder if they would have to recognize the underlying contractual rights though; power of attorney, right of inheritence, etc..

I wonder would happen if some heterosexual couples started demanding civil unions ^^

Israel annoys me with that basic proposition that they have a right to the land because God gave it to them in the Old Testament, basically using the mythology the founders of your religion wrote to steal land away from people whose families had lived there forever.....
15th-Dec-2006 02:41 pm (UTC)
I wonder would happen if some heterosexual couples started demanding civil unions

And what in the world would possess them to do that en masse?

As for the Jews, well, I see no reason why they should not have been allowed to settle in the Middle East if they wanted...but telling them no (as Palestine did) does not then give them the right to go in there, wage war for land, and displace and oppress the people remaining (as Israel did). In fact, in my opinion, people who have been victimized have LESS excuse, not more, when it comes to victimizing others. If you don't know what it feels like, you can plead ignorance, but if you do, well...you have no excuse left.
15th-Dec-2006 02:54 pm (UTC)
And what in the world would possess them to do that en masse?

Probably nothing, but it would be an interesting legal conflict ^^;

people who have been victimized have LESS excuse, not more, when it comes to victimizing others.


Israel has a definite "Jews first and only" attitude, no one else’s suffering really seems all that important.. This is the country that claimed unguided rockets coming from Lebanon was the worst war crime ever, while at the same time they were dropping cluster bombs in heavily populated Lebanese villages (all financed by the US, of course).....

What annoyed me during that war, the most radical Israeli voices always seemed to have an American accent >_< Recent immigrants fighting for "the land God gave them".....
16th-Dec-2006 01:41 pm (UTC)
Recent immigrants fighting for "the land God gave them".....

If they were expatriate Americans, well, we have a history of that. Colonists used "God gave us this land" as an excuse to exterminate the natives and otherwise push them off of "our" land.
16th-Dec-2006 02:59 pm (UTC)
Yes, all the good settlers, who fled religious intolerance in Europe, in order to practice it in the New World >_<

And of course all those great Spanish explorers who spread the word of Jesus' love by slaughtering those who refused to listen >_< Their names are memorialized all over Florida ^^;
17th-Dec-2006 01:15 am (UTC)
And of course all those great Spanish explorers who spread the word of Jesus' love by slaughtering those who refused to listen

Not to mention burning all their books. Why did Mel Gibson get the Maya wrong? Because he's an ass who doesn't give, yes, but there's a lot we still don't know about their history--because the Catholics burned all their books!
17th-Dec-2006 01:23 am (UTC)

There was something on about that a couple weeks ago, with some crazy Catholic priest sent to convert them burning all the records he could get his hands on claiming they were the work of Satan >_<

All I’ve heard of Gibson’s flick is that it’s in an obscure language and is incredibly violent ^^;
17th-Dec-2006 01:47 am (UTC)
I think even the Catholic church would consider burning the records of an entire culture a sin these days. :P It makes you wonder how many times we've forgotten stuff and had to learn it all over again. You know, they've found evidence that even Stone Age hunter-gatherers had nice clothes. (Evidence of linen as fine as tablecloths today.)

BTW, are you getting comment notifications? I haven't been for days now... *gargh*
17th-Dec-2006 02:00 am (UTC)

I hope the Vatican would consider such activity to be a sin nowadays ^_~

I have a mental image of a caveman fashion show ^_^;; There’s probably a lot lost, and histories rewritten, etc.. I always find it interesting when they find evidence of ancient brain surgery and stuff ^_^

I think I’m getting notifications.. Couldn’t swear I’m getting all of them ^^;
15th-Dec-2006 03:02 pm (UTC)
they make the differential in language because a civil union doesn't give you the same amount of rights as a marriage does. it's not even as good as "seperate but equal", and seperate but equal pretty much sucks.
16th-Dec-2006 01:39 pm (UTC)
Within New Jersey, that is incorrect. The "civil union" and "marriage" must provide equal rights in every arena--this has been mandated by the state supreme court. It's a ideological language quibble, and it's stupid.
16th-Dec-2006 06:53 pm (UTC)
that's bullshit. argh. i hope someday my grandkids are amazed that this sort of thing took place.
17th-Dec-2006 01:12 am (UTC)
Well, given the status of, say, racism and sexism in the US, I doubt your grandkids will be surprised by discrimination against homosexuals, even if there is progress. (Not to be pessimistic or anything, BUT...)
17th-Dec-2006 10:14 pm (UTC)
no, it's sad but true. *sigh*
17th-Dec-2006 11:57 am (UTC)
"ARGH! Carter, you anti-semite bastard! Stop pushing your biased, racist agenda!"


1.) Dissaproving of Israel, even HATING Israel, doesn't make you an anti-semite. Hating Jews makes you an anti-semite. Does every Jew want to be represented by Israel? HELL no. Some of the most vocal critics of Israel I know are Jewish. Don't we know by now that countries do not equal religion do not equal people? You can hate the Taliban government and not hate Islam. Heck, you can even hate Islam but not hate Muslims. Let's be reasonable, here.

2.) I think people are forgetting that Carter is one of the few people on the political front that has little to nothing to gain from lying. He's not running for office, he hasn't had anything but humanitarian and peace power for a long time now, and he doesn't tend to strongly associate with current politicians or even politicals parties. Unless he's an asshole--which I don't think he is--he doesn't have a reason to be intensely biased or have ulterior motives, like most political speakers right now. The man won the Nobel Peace Prize and has done more for this Earth since LEAVING office. He's one of the few politicians I actually trust these days. Then why would he write an inflammatory book full of lies? To get more famous, to get more money? Uh...it's Jimmy f*cking Carter. Everybody already knows who he is, and I was never under the impression that he's into PEACE WORK for the money. If he was into money, he'd go where the money is--war. *cough*Halliburton*cough*

I think the backlash to Carter's criticism of Israel just proves his point--that we have a very uneven debate over here, which is disgusting considering the complete support we show Israel. We gave the country nukes; now we can't question what they do? We should be questioning them MORE about what they do. We support Israel so intensely that the Middle East hates US when Israel cuts down civilians. If we're going to be held responsible for Israel's actions--and we have a right to be held to that, to an extent, considering our unwavering support--we can't give them complete freedom. As an American, I, for one, am sick of getting hated for what Israel does while getting no power to vote for any of Israel's decisions. I have the right to voice criticism, because plenty of my tax dollars are going straight to Israel.

Bravo, Carter. Thank for being brave enough to show the other side of a debate.

(I also love how the media was complaining earlier this year about how too many reporters were exercising self-censorship when it came to reporting about Islam fundamentalists. Yes, self-censorship is dangerous--but not just when you're talking about the extremists of one particular religious group. Hello, pot? This is kettle and I've got news for ya.)
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