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And you wonder why women underperform in co-ed universities? 
12th-Mar-2006 08:05 am
Perhaps it's because institutions like Harvard allow "women, innately, have less capacity than men" professors like this sorry excuse for a so-called manly man to keep their jobs.
12th-Mar-2006 01:22 pm (UTC)
12th-Mar-2006 03:11 pm (UTC)
Well, they did fire Summers. It's a step in the right direction.

They can't fire every professor who thinks women are inferior, then they'd really have no conservatives on faculty.

Unfortunately, with people like David Horowitz watching their every move, they can't fire the guy. He'd turn it into a huge scandal and soon the University would be paying a huge settlement.
12th-Mar-2006 05:15 pm (UTC)
I'd like to see the hypothetical "blacks are innately inferior" racist or "Jews are innately inferior" anti-Semitic Harvard professor flaunting his views like this guy flaunts his views against women--and see if the world would just wince and look the other way. It's total hypocrisy the way it's "okay" to be bigoted against some groups but not others.
12th-Mar-2006 06:47 pm (UTC)
You'd be surprised. The "Bell Curve" guys were "respected" academics among conservative circles. Andrew Sullivan, the gay world's answer to Clarence Thomas, is still carrying water for them to this day.

The only groups I see condemning the Bell Curve are liberals, everyone else vocally shrugs it off and most of them probably secretly agree with it.
12th-Mar-2006 07:31 pm (UTC)
I've never seen actual career academics offer a smidgen of respect to The Bell Curve (there are widely-acknowledged problems with its methodology to start with)--the only people it still appeals to are laypersons for whom actual evidence is unnecessary to prove what they already believe. For years now the authors have been condemned to ignominy and dismissed as unreliable racists by the mainstream. I simply don't see the same mainstream condemnation of misogynists.
12th-Mar-2006 08:30 pm (UTC)
Like I said, they did fire Summers over what he said.

Respect for the Bell Curve has been confined to conservative circles, as is respect for this guy, but that doesn't mean they're not respected by anyone. There are many conservatives in academia and if they don't come right out and say they agree with the Bell Curve it's only because they're outnumbered.
12th-Mar-2006 10:30 pm (UTC)
I don't think Summers would have been forced to resign if his sexist comments had been the only thing anyone had against him. His sexist comments certainly played a large role, but remember that he didn't resign until after the major media uproar over those comments had already subsided. The issues plaguing him more recently, which I think were the final straw (meaning, I don't think these would have been enough all by themselves to force him to resign either, but in combination with his sexism, they were enough) were accusations that he had looked the other way while a friend of his, an economics professor at Harvard, committed fraud against the U.S. government.
12th-Mar-2006 10:29 pm (UTC)

I'm not registered... So this is a different guy at Harvard claiming the mental inferiority of women??
12th-Mar-2006 10:35 pm (UTC)
Let's try cutting-and-pasting the text of the article. It could be a parody, but the fact of the matter is, it's dead-serious.

March 12, 2006
Questions for Harvey C. Mansfield
Of Manliness and Men
Q: As a staunch neoconservative and the author of a new feminism-bashing book called "Manliness," how are you treated by your fellow government professors at Harvard?

Look, if I only consorted with conservatives, I would be by myself all the time.

So your generally left-leaning colleagues are willing to talk to you?

People listen to me, but they don't pay attention to what I say. I should punch them out, but I don't.

In your latest book, you bemoan the disappearance of manliness in our "gender neutral" society. How, exactly, would you define manliness?

My quick definition is confidence in a situation of risk. A manly man has to know what he is doing.

Hasn't technology lessened the need for risk taking, at least of the physical sort?

It has. But it hasn't removed it. Technology gives you the instruments, and social sciences give you the rules. But manliness is more a quality of the soul.

How does someone like Arnold Schwarzenegger stack up?

I would include him as a manly man.

But doesn't he exemplify the sort of man whose overdeveloped muscles are intended to mask feelings of insecurity?

Yes, but then he stepped up to become governor of California. He took a risk with his reputation.

What about President Bush? He's a risk taker, but wouldn't his penchant for long vacations be a strike against him?

I wouldn't say industriousness is a sign of manliness. That's sort of wonkish. Experts do that.

What about Dick Cheney?

He hunts. And he curses openly. Lynne Cheney is kind of manly, too. I once worked with her on the advisory council of the National Endowment for the Humanities.

In your book, you say Margaret Thatcher is an ideal woman, but isn't she the manliest of all?

I was told by someone who visited her that she is very feminine with her husband.

Why is that so important to you in light of her other achievements?

We need roles. Roles give us mutual expectations of what is either correct or good behavior. Women are neater than men, they make nests, and all these other stereotypes are mostly true. Wives and mothers correct you; they hold you to a standard; they want to make you better.

I am beginning to wonder if you have ever spoken to a woman. Your ideas are so Victorian.

I have a young wife who grew up in the feminist revolution, and even though she is not a feminist, she wants to benefit from it. I wash the dishes, and I make the bed.

How young is she, exactly?

She's 60. I'm 73.

Were you sorry to see Harvard's outgoing president, Lawrence Summers, attacked for saying that men and women may have different mental capacities?

He was taking seriously the notion that women, innately, have less capacity than men at the highest level of science. I think it's probably true. It's common sense if you just look at who the top scientists are.

But couldn't that simply reflect the institutional bias against women over the centuries?

It could, but I don't think it does. We have been going a couple of generations now. There are certain things that haven't changed. For example, in New York City, the doormen are still 98 percent men.

Yes, but fewer jobs depend on that sort of physical brawn as society becomes more technologically adept. Physical advantages are practically meaningless now that men are no longer hunter-gatherers.

I disagree with that.

When was the last time you did something that required physical strength?

It's true that nothing in my career requires physical strength, but in my relations with women, yes.

Such as?

Lifting things, opening things. My wife is quite small.

What do you lift?

Furniture. Not every night, but routinely.
12th-Mar-2006 11:06 pm (UTC)



How did he ever get to be a professor? Much less a Harvard one...... He sounds like just a simple minded idiot who needs clear delineations in order to function..

He hunts. And he curses openly

So killing helpless animals (and shooting your friends in the heart) and swearing without thought makes you a man??? And lifting furniture too, apparently... Count me out... Just moronic....
12th-Mar-2006 11:40 pm (UTC)
How did he ever get to be a professor? Much less a Harvard one......

Hey, you remember that incoherent French guy talking about the US that I quoted awhile ago? That was ol' Harvey's translation. :P

So killing helpless animals (and shooting your friends in the heart) and swearing without thought makes you a man???

I'm guessing that the aggressive man is "manly," but the aggressive woman is "a bitch"...

And lifting furniture too, apparently...

Yeah, and I bet at 73 he can lift that loveseat with one hand tied behind his back. *rolls eyes*
13th-Mar-2006 12:02 am (UTC)

He probably has the dialogue for every John Wayne movie memorized >_<

I wonder, has he ever seen a female weight lifter? ^__^
13th-Mar-2006 02:09 am (UTC)
Yeah, his wife probably only gets him get away with the chest-beating displays because it saves her the bother of doing everything herself. *snorts* Laziness is endemic in both sexes--heck, he even suggests that laziness can be manly! *snorts again*
13th-Mar-2006 02:58 am (UTC)

I wouldn't say industriousness is a sign of manliness.

Maybe he’s just trying to make an excuse for Bush’s vacations ^_~

Women are neater than men, they make nests, and all these other stereotypes are mostly true.

Or maybe people tend to live up (or down) to the stereotypes that are forced on them?
13th-Mar-2006 03:07 am (UTC)
Heh. Did you know that it's actually the lionnesses who do most of the hunting for a pride of lions? If industriousness is associated with females, then it just can't possibly be "manly" now can it? :P

Or maybe people tend to live up (or down) to the stereotypes that are forced on them?

The chicken versus the egg argument. I wish we'd stop categorizing behaviors and let people do what they want...but as long as we continue to categorize behaviors, consent isn't true consent. Yet another sticky problem...
13th-Mar-2006 08:05 am (UTC)
My god.... *jaw drops* How in all that's holy's name did this guy get a job as a professor? I feel the utmost pity for him and his wife. Maybe more his wife for being so screwed in the head.
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